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Interview by J. Ward Russell
October 3, 1996
JWR: This is October 3, 1996, I am Ward Russell (JWR), a member of the Club’s Historical Committee. Our committee has for some time been conducting interviews with some of our most prominent and long-time members of the Club. Today it is my privilege and pleasure to interview Peter Balding (PAB), a member of an outstanding kamaaina family and a past President of the Outrigger Canoe Club. We are at the Club on a beautiful Thursday afternoon. Peter are you ready to go?
PAB: Ready to go.
JWR: A few questions about your background. When and where were you born?
PAB: I was born here in Honolulu in 1934.
JWR: Your parents went to Hilo for a while, didn’t they?
PAB: My dad was born in Hilo, my mother was born in Piedmont, California. My dad moved here as a young boy and they lived in Kahala, and then eventually moved up to Noela Drive where the family home was.
JWR: Your dad was born in Hilo?
PAB: Born in Hilo, right, in 1904. Mom and dad lived in Kahala prior to my coming on to the scene.
JWR: What was he doing in Hilo?
PAB: Well, he was a young boy when he moved to Honolulu.
JWR: Oh, I see. Did he ever go back to work in Hilo in later years?
PAB: Er, no.
JWR: I knew he was born in Hilo, that raised the question because I was born and raised in Hilo.
PAB: Um. . . Wainaku, I think was the area.
JWR: I was born and lived not too far away, about half-a-mile away. I was born in Pukihae, just outside of Hilo, part of Hilo suburbs. . . Where did you go to school?
PAB: I went to Hanahauoli School through the sixth grade and then went to Punahou, and then for my junior and senior years of high school I went away to a boarding school in Colorado Springs at Fountain Valley.
JWR: That must have been interesting.
PAB: It was quite a change.
JWR: I imagine so.
PAB: All boy school, and getting away from all my friends that I ran around the beach with. [Laughter]
JWR: After Colorado, you went on to college.
PAB: I went on to college for two years at the University of Washington in Seattle, then spent about one semester at the University of Hawaii when I decided to find a job and start working. I wasn’t a very good student.
JWR: Where did you first go to work?
PAB: At Lewers & Cooke, the old Lewers & Cooke on Piikoi Street, Lewers Paris was the President of the company and the Lowreys were involved .
JWR: I almost got a job there – I went to the Telephone Company instead. When you were at Punahou, were you active in sports?
PAB: Not at Punahou because I was small for my age there and I really didn’t get involved until my sophomore year, but my junior and senior years in high school, I did. There was nothing else to do, so I played football in the Fall and basketball in the Winter months and baseball in the Spring, so . . .
JWR: Ski? Did you ski?
PAB: Very little skiing, once in a while we’d get out on a pass on a weekend and we’d go up and . . . not much at all, no.
JWR: When did you first join the Club?
PAB: I joined the Outrigger in 1946 – this year marks my 50th year as a member of the Club.
JWR: Fifty years! I’m sure you’ve seen many changes. What was your original reason for joining the Club?
PAB: Well I was heavily involved in the water and the beach activities and the surfing, and I wanted to get into canoe paddling and volleyball, but it was more for the water sports that I originally started to get involved with the Club.
JWR: Who proposed you for membership, do you remember?
PAB: Gee, I don’t remember Ward, no, I remember my mother was a member at the time. As a matter of fact she always takes pride in saying her membership number was fifty at the time, I don’t know what significance that had, but she was a member, not my dad.
JWR: What was your first impression of the Club, what year was it that you joined?
PAB: It was 1946.
JWR: What were your impressions of the Club at that time – it was right after the War.
PAB: Right after the War, right. Um, the old Club to me was always quite informal, casual, really a full-on beach club, a place where a lot of families congregated, I had an awful lot of friends who were members and we were all doing things together. It was a great hangout being raised in Hawaii, it was our fortune to have such a good location – right on the beach in the heart of Waikiki.
It was so different from this Club because as you walked in you were immediately exposed to the volleyball activity, the ball was being played, or coming over the fence, or what have you, and then as you progressed to the front of the Club the canoes were all lined up right there ready to hit the surf, I mean we didn’t work carrying them from the alleys and things like that. The total membership was more involved in athletic activities, because it was right down in front of us.
JWR: At that point I picture it was always pretty much of a family club, wasn’t it ?
PAB: Very much of a family club.
JWR: Did things change after the War years and more tourists began to arrive?
PAB: I don’t remember our guest membership and reciprocal membership being as active as it is today, no. There was a Service Membership, I think, at one time, or there were some people who were stationed in the Islands who were able to participate in the old Club along with all the Pan American airlines people who had some kind of a guest arrangement so they could use the Club.
JWR: What sports did you participate in at that point?
PAB: Well, I started out with the youngest group of the canoe paddlers. Those were the days when we used to race from the Waikiki groin straight in front of the Club and finish in front of the old Royal Hawaiian Hotel – we never went to sea and come back or anything like that, it was always parallel with the beach.
JWR: How well I remember that. What groups did you paddle with? You said you started out at the beginning.
PAB: Started at the beginning and then kind of worked my way up. In those days there were not as many categories as there are now. The highest I ever got in paddling was in the junior men.
JWR: Did you ever paddle in any of the long distance races?
PAB: Never did paddle in any of the long distance races, no. That all came a few years later.
JWR: The same with me. How about volleyball?
PAB: Volleyball? Like most of the juniors I started on the baby court trying to beat “Chippy” Chase (former Club President) in singles. At times we played for drinks and lunches there, but that’s where we all started, on the baby court.
JWR: You must have a pretty good recollection of who the jocks were at that particular time. Do you remember any?
PAB: Oh, yeah, well Tommy Haine – well, let’s see, Tommy was not quite on the scene yet, but (Ron) Sorrell was very big in volleyball at that time, of course, then there were the Beardmores, the Lymans and Cross and – I guess Tommy Haine came along probably within about five years after I joined.
JWR: What were your favorite surfing spots?
PAB: Well, one of my favorite surfing spots was always right slides Canoe, you know, coming down. . .
JWR: What do you mean by right slide Canoe?
PAB: Well, the immediate surf in front of the Club was called Canoe surf because the canoes surfed there but there was a left slide which came through the Blow Hole area. . .
JWR: Which was?
PAB: That would be the left slide off the Canoes. The objective was to catch it at its peak at Canoes and slide right toward Queen’s Surf.
JWR: Now, Queen’s was, where?
PAB: Queen’s was more in front of the old Kuhio beach area, straight out.
JWR: Of course, I am familiar with this, but the people who are listening to this, they might not know. That’s only why I am asking these questions.
PAB: Yes. Those were the main spots in those days. We used to wander for bigger waves when they came through going towards the Natatorium to Public Baths. In between Public Baths and Queen’s was Cunha’s. Out to the right of our present Club was Castle surf. But the main spots were Canoes and Queen’s surf in those days.
JWR: What was the name of that surf right out from the Halekulani?
PAB: That’s called Popular’s. Then when we went towards town, towards the Waikiki Yacht Harbor, there were a bunch of different places but the favorite surfing spot was more in front of the Reef (Hotel), which was called Number Threes. We surfed a lot there. In the old days there used to be an old barge that was sunk, kind of partially sunk, out in that area and we used to paddle our canoe down with our boards loaded up on it. anchor the canoe to the barge, and paddle the canoe with one board back on it to the Club.
JWR: Did you surf much on the North Shore?
PAB: Yeah. We used to go there regularly on weekends. In those days the big spot was Makaha when it first got started. Makaha, and once in a while at Maili Point, prior to getting out to the Makaha area, but we used to surf quite a bit at Makaha.
PAB: On occasion. When we went to the North Shore, in my day when we were able to sleep on the beach, in cars, and spend the night and everything, we found a little safer haven at Haleiwa, so we surfed a lot at Haleiwa at Alii beach there.
JWR: It’s interesting how surfing spots have grown over the years. What is your impression of all these new places that have come up?
PAB: Well, it has gotten so much more populated, the equipment so different now, everybody is making these radical quick turns, and everybody is riding into everybody else. It is quite aggressive at a lot of the surf spots.
JWR: What were the types of board you surfed on?
PAB: I started out with an old balsa-redwood, and then in the early Fifties, I believe, we started getting into the Hobie type of board and that was really our first introduction into boards that had skegs. Prior to that we were surfing redwood planks, balsa-redwoods and sometimes even some hollows with no skegs [Laugh] and often the rear end slipped around and all that kind of thing, but then we got into balsa boards and eventually into balsa wood . . . fiberglass and now we are into foam.
JWR: Who were the outstanding surfers?
PAB: Well, Tommy Schroeder comes to mind, Paul Dolan was very active in those times, Tommy Haine was surfing a lot, Billy Cross was surfing; a little younger, but a wonderful surfer, was Bobby Daniels. . . .
JWR: Oh, yeah.
PAB: . . . used to surf a lot.
JWR: Speaking of Bobby Daniels, this is Bobby Junior, what happened to him?
PAB: I think he passed away.
JWR: Ah, yes, that’s right.
PAB: Chick’s younger son – there was Joe and Bobby.
JWR: He was such a nice guy.
PAB: Yeah. Wonderful volleyball player too.
JWR: Great personality . . .
JWR: . . . and his father . . .
PAB: Chick [Laughter] he’s the old legend, eh?
JWR: What were your recollections of Chick?
PAB: He was a typical beach boy, you know, he’d sit around and make the tourists and everybody happy, play a little music and end up in the Hau Terrace or the Palm Tree Inn afterwards and always kept the party going, day in day out.
JWR: Do you have any recollections of any others of his ilk?
PAB: Well, in the old days when I first became a member of the Club, we had our own Outrigger beach service then, and the old fellows who were very prominent in those days – of course Sally (Sallisbury) Hale was the leader of the bunch. He was sort of the administrator, and then we had Curley (Cornwell) and we had Panama Dave (Baptiste) of course, and then Steamboat (Mokuahi) came along, and they all ran the Outrigger beach service before they surrendered all that, closed up and eventually went to the hotels.
JWR: That was when the Outrigger Canoe Club ran the beach service for the Moana and Royal Hawaiian hotels. I believe the Club had a contract with the hotels, do you remember?
PAB: No. I don’t know how that arrangement was made, but I think the tourists used to come right over to our beach service, make arrangements for canoe rides or surfing lessons and we’d sign them up; how we did the bookkeeping and all in those days, I really don’t know.
JWR: I think it got a little more complicated as time went on. Do you remember an invasion of another beach service that came in about 1950, the group that was servicing the. . .
PAB: Yeah, there was, it was the old Hale Auau that started down at Kuhio beach and a lot of the prominent beach boys in those days like Blackout Whaley, Rabbit Kekai and Ray Kellet and a number of others who all got involved with Hale Auau, I don’t really think we looked at it as competition in those days, you know they had their business going and we had our thing going.
JWR: You remember about the time…do you remember when they put the boardwalk in between the Royal Hawaiian and the Moana Hotel in front of the Club?
PAB: Near the end of our stay there in Waikiki.
JWR: Right. Not too long before we moved on. Speaking about going down to our new location, what is your recollection of the events that occurred at that time?
PAS: You mean as far as our being able to stay at the Club or the options we had?
JWR: All of a sudden you were confronted with the fact that the Club had to move, what was your reaction to that?
PAB: Well, actually in the beginning you know we loved our existing location and all but I think when we reviewed the options that were put before us, we were either going to be part of a large building; we were going to be in a small section here or there, multistory . . . I was one of those fortunate ones who when we did move, I got married and I had a couple of young kids and the move from Waikiki with everything getting more and more crowded and all, it couldn’t have been more ideal for me and my family. The location coming up here into our own Club just worked absolutely perfect for my family.
JWR: Do you have any recollections of the meetings that occurred at that time with membership to acquaint them with the problems we were faced with and the reason for moving?
PAB: I do remember some, I think as a matter of fact, you correct me on this, but didn’t we meet at the Princess Kaiulani on a couple of occasions and I particularly remember the meetings when we made the decision to come down here about whether we were going to go high rise here and have residents, which was voted against; and I do remember the swimming pool issue whether we should have a swimming pool or not – but then it really didn’t have the impact on me at that time other than I think the timing couldn’t have been better for our age group having to move out of Waikiki to down here, it worked perfectly.
JWR: When did you first become active in the management of the Club? When did you sit on committees?
PAB: Well, I started probably back in the early Sixties. I started serving on, I think, the first committee I served on was the Building and Grounds. I worked on that for a number of years and, as a matter of fact I eventually became the chairperson of that committee. Then I got very involved with athletics because that was my whole background and seemed to be my greatest interest so I got involved with a lot of the athletic committees and ended up being the Club Captain for two or three years at one time.
JWR: You were Captain on more than one occasion, weren’t you?
PAB: I was only on on one occasion, but I believe it was either two or three years in a row I was Club Captain. I think it might have been two-and-a-half. I picked up a half-year from the person who was leaving and served two more years. Let’s see, the only committee I think I haven’t served on is the House Committee.
JWR: When were you elected to the Board?
PAB: In 1970, I was elected to the Board.
JWR: So then you were on for, how many years on the Board?
PAB: I was on the board for six years, from 1970 to 1976, then served another six years starting in 1985, I believe.
JWR: You are the first person . . . maybe I have interviewed somebody else who served a second term, but I believe you are the first. Anyway, I want to talk about that second term; because just a couple of years ago you may remember there was some concern on the part of some of our members, that there was a small group that was trying to move in to control the Club, and I think those of you who had served a second term were considered as part of that group. What was the reason for your second term?
PAB: Well, one of the things was that in the early Eighties it seemed like the Club was trying to take a different direction, and we weren’t really happy the way some of the things were being handled from the standpoint of membership, from the standpoint of the old traditional things that we always identified with the Outrigger Canoe Club. So a number of us decided that maybe we ought to get more involved again. Rab Guild, Tommy Haine and Roy Kesner and myself, and others who had served our first six years together decided we should start serving again, because we wanted to kind of get us back to what we felt the purpose and intent of the old Outrigger Canoe Club was.
JWR: As I recall the “malcontents” wanted to change the Club’s present Bylaws in such a way that, in effect, a member could only serve one term as President. The stated objective was to encourage “new faces” on the Board. I did some research on this which-showed the last change to the Bylaws in 1963 had satisfactorily accomplished this objective. Hence I was opposed to the proposed change, and am glad it was defeated. Those of you who served second terms are to be congratulated on the fine jobs you did.
That brings up another point, during your time on the Board, your first term, what were the principal things you were involved in?
PAB: I was a supporting director of Building & Grounds at one time; I was coordinating director for the Admissions and Membership Committee. About my third year, which would be the beginning of my second term, I became an officer of the Club. I was one of the Vice Presidents of Activities, actually they didn’t segregate the activities and operations in those days, but happened to serve as one of those because there were many more things to supervise.
JWR: Did you have any involvement with the Elks Club with respect to the long range plan of the Club?
PAB: I served on the Long Range Planning Committee on various long range planning committees and did meet often with the Elks Club in discussions, oh, not only with regard to things we were doing with our own club which we wanted them to know about, but also to be good neighbors; we wanted to try to keep a friendly spirit with them, we obviously were always pursuing the idea of how we ultimately could be fortunate to own our property at some time.
JWR: On your second term did you have further dealings with the Elks Club?
PAB: Yes, we had further dealings with the Elks Club at that time.
JWR: Was there any change in attitude between the two periods in respect to the possibility of obtaining the Fee of our property?
PAB: Er, the attitudes seemed to be getting stiffer, the second time. I think there was something that went on in the early Eighties that, you know, turned them off a little bit; either it was the way some of the presentations were made or some of the suggestions, but Lord knows we went through so many suggestions of how to work together on getting something done, even talking about a joint parking garage, or living facilities on the front of their property to off-set some of the things – nothing seemed to work and now I am in the firm belief we never will be able to divide the property in Fee.
JWR: That was the question I was going to ask you, do you think we will ever be able to?
PAB: I don’t really think so. I think it appears they are going to be content to sign another lease with us . . . with our wonderful lease that we have, thanks to Wilford Godbold – mainly I think, we have stipulations there where we are going to be on leased land we are going to be able to handle it, I think.
JWR: What do you think might be the increase in the amount of the lease rent?
PAB: My guesstimate? Probably ten-fold, I would say. I wouldn’t be surprised.
JWR: I understand the terms of our lease agreement renewal will be negotiated among their representative, our representative and a third party. Fortunately I believe there is a limitation on the amount of increase. . . Do you think the membership today is aware of what is going to happen?
PAB: I think most of the people are not aware, no. They join the Club and enjoy the facilities and count on others to take care of things. I don’t think most of the people. . .
JWR: About ten years ago, I was asked to address the Board on the future of the Club, and I did. I don’t know if you were on the Board at that time or not, but I sounded off about what the Club should do in terms of preparing our membership for the fact that there might be a substantial increase in their dues. The Club had, at that point, already decided to allocate all the initiation fees to the Building Fund.
JWR: One of the things I recommended was that on every bill there should be an assessment – a Building assessment – so that both old and new members would be alerted to the fact that in the not too distant future the Club will be confronted with a possible substantial increase in its lease rent which will mean an increase in dues. Hopefully the Building Fund can subsidize some of this dues increase but eventually it will have to be borne by the membership. My feeling is that a visual assessment on the bill would be a way of letting members know that might happen.
PAB: Of course, the membership now has grown so large which I’ve never been in favor of. When I served on the Board I always tried to preserve the lower number as it seemed every time you open it up to a couple of hundred members you get three or four hundred more and then they again change the quota to a higher number. I remember battling the Board in those days to try to keep the thing somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 total, and now we’re way over 4,300 members. There has to be a limit as the Club can support just so many. Considering the fact that we are only paying $30,000 a year which is ridiculously low rent for this piece of property, there is no question but that there has to be a dues increase. We just can’t meet this with more members. Our present membership is going to have to accept the fact that it will have to foot the bills.
JWR: What was your reaction to the suggestions that we should increase the size of the Club – put another story on the dining room and things of that nature – expand the Club?
PAB: I never have been in favor of expanding much more than what we have. I think that as Val Ossfpoff, you know, designed the Club originally around 2,500-3,000 members, we are just taking too many people. Because even if you put something upstairs and we provided the additional parking there will still be a parking shortage at times. We are already behind in the number of lockers in the men’s and the women’s rooms; we are 75 stalls short for one-man canoes and kayaks in the garage area. So now they want to steal more garage space. Now you have more members who want more fitness center facilities, and the only way you can provide that is to take more garage space. It’s just getting too . . . every area is taxed more and more the larger and larger we get.
JWR: I agree with you completely. Once you start growing, you grow like topsy, and then you contribute more and more to your problems.
PAB: That’s right. Just where we are now. Look at our storage problem, it is awful.
JWR: Let’s go back to some of the recollections you may have of the management – people who have been the managers of the Club.
PAB: Well, I always remember the, I think, the first manager of the Club when I became a member – Gay Harris. He used to go out in a canoe himself. He was quite a guy. He was always a friendly guy to all the members – a wonderful guy. Then there was Jake (Tudor), he came from a military club as I recall and his first steps were to get in and hang flowers or plants all over the place [Laughter] disrupted the whole…..[Laugh]
JWH: The promoter of the “wishing well”!
PAB: He was a wonderful guy, too. More dapper than most of the other Outrigger members , yeah.
JWR: What about some of the characters who were amongst our membership?
PAB: Well, you know, there were so many in those days – there was, er, who were they? I saw an old timer the other day that I hadn’t seen in many years, Shorty Logsdon. He was down for Cline’s services and I happened to see him.
JWR: Was he at Cline’s services?
PAB: Yeah, yeah.
JWR: You are the first person I’ve talked to – interviewed – since Cline’s services. Let’s talk a little about Cline. What was your impression of Cline?
PAB: Wonderful person. Wonderful person. Major, major contributor to the Outrigger Canoe Club. He knew everything about this Club and the way it ran and he had really a lot of Aloha toward the Club. He was a real cornerstone for the Outrigger Canoe Club, there is no question about it.
JWR: You mentioned Shorty Logsdon, the last time I saw Shorty was in Tahiti years ago. Where does he live now, do you know?
PAB: Well, apparently he was living out on the North Shore, he was with Don Over, and then of course Don Over passed away, and I think he is still living out there on the property.
JWR: What was your impression of the services for Cline?
PAB: I thought the services for Cline were outstanding, outstanding. Alan Dowsett did a wonderful job, it was the way Cline would have liked it, not a lot of people being involved but just really important nice things being said. I wish they had said a little bit more about his tremendous involvement in the Outrigger Canoe Club, though. Because Cline was “Mr. Outrigger”.
JWR: I agree. Did you serve on any of the committees that were involved in the planning of the move?
PAB: No, I did not. I was not old enough, but now . . .
JWR: Of course, Cline was my right hand man and I can testify to the fact that we would never have had this Club without him. How many people do you think turned up for that funeral?
PAB: Oh, it looked like probably four-five hundred people I would think. A large crowd, yeah.
JWR: It was a wonderful testimonial. He suffered an awful lot.
PAB: Yeah. It was a blessing. It really was.
JWR: Looking around at the Club Presidents pictures on the wall of the Board Room are you reminded of any events that may have occurred during the time you have been active in the Club?
PAB: Well, so many of us all were together, you know, Don Avery and Rab (Guild) and Roy (Kesner) and Bobby Anderson, Thad (Ekstrand) who all served together, and of course, Wakey Mist when I was fortunate enough to be President the first time. Wakey Mist was my Vice President and a wonderful man, gave a lot of thought to the Club. It was a real tragedy that he was taken down but he still enjoys the Club. I had a nice visit with him on Sunday here – I mentioned that we were going to have our Past Presidents lunch in December and he said he is going to try his best to be here and remind Martha to bring him, so God willing we’ll be together again.
We had, of course, Tommy Haine – he was one of my closest, closest personal friends even though we disagreed on many things. We had such a camaraderie in the days that we served on the Board that we could meet, disagree, but still be able to go to the dinner table and enjoy each other, and there would be nothing carried over. I think, from what I understand, a lot of the camaraderie is not what it used to be in the old days when we used to be able to enjoy each other, and laugh and joke, and I remember how important those after Board meetings were because at times something would come up that we felt we did not accomplish at the Board meeting. We would reconvene and conclude an issue right there rather than wait until the end of the next month. It was a wonderful experience serving this Club.
JWR: Comparing the time you were first President with your second term, did you have the same camaraderie?
PAB: No, the second time around was very different, there were a few young people involved at that time. There were some very different ideas about what we should be doing at the Outrigger Canoe Club. There were some factions and little cliques within the group, and you had to just kind of try to blend it all together and a lot of times it wasn’t easy. It wasn’t as enjoyable a term because the cohesiveness was not there like the first time.
JWR: You having served two terms and still being quite active in the Club, what do you think is the future outlook for the Club?
PAB: I think the future outlook on the Club is very bright right at the moment. I was a very strong supporter and worked very well with Ray Ludwig and he assisted me tremendously during both by presidencies and all, and I thought the world of the fellow but, you know, I guess the time had come for a change to get the Club so it was not quite so complacent and just dragging on year in year out in the same method. I think that with the addition of John Rader, our new manager, he is opening some eyes. The place seems a little more active, it is bustling and I think we’ve got a tremendous future. Obviously I think our main goal is to perpetuate the Club in this location, and any suggestion about moving or trading or swapping or going to the other side of Oahu always left me cold. I think we want to perpetuate and maintain our Club right where it is.
JWR: I want to get: your answer to this question. What are the main things at this location that make it so attractive?
PAB: Well obviously the water and Waikiki. You know sometimes other locations can be as convenient, but we sit on a place here where we have a fabulous panoramic view, we have our own private little harbor and when we have guests from the Mainland they can see surfers and our canoes coming in on the waves. How many canoe clubs are there where you can bring the canoes right into the beach on our premises, have a cheer, go in and have a hot shower? You know there is not a canoe club. . .
JWR: Don’t have to pay for parking.
PAB: Don’t have to pay for parking. [Laughter] Well, we do indirectly, I think, with the dues and what have you.
JWR: Speaking about the dues, have your guests ever asked how much you pay for your membership dues?
PAB: Often, often, and they are surprised at how reasonable things are. Of course now being a Senior member they are very reasonable. [Laughter]
JWR: I do agree! Is there anything else you’d like to add?
PAB: We’ve rambled on about everything. I think this is still one of the greatest clubs that you’d ever want to join in the world. I’ve always said when you join a club it’s not just to hang your shingle on the wall, but you should be joining a club where you can enjoy the activities, you enjoy coming there often, you enjoy being a part of it. So many people join just be cause it’s on their list of clubs. May and I – this is our only Club – we are really a one-Club family and we love it!
JWR: How is the family getting along?
PAB: The family is getting along fine, Peter junior is teaching at Punahou still. This is his twelfth to thirteenth year. My grandson, Trey, is two years from becoming a junior member here. He’ll be nine in January, so he is going to be a member right off, I can assure you, if they accept him. [ Laugh]
JWR: Tell me more about Trey.
PAB: He’s getting along fine, he’s surfing with Peter and me.
JWR: Really. Wonderful! How’s your mother?
PAB: Mother’s coming along fine, you know, now that she is getting older she has her good days and her bad days, but she looks fine. She gets a little confused mentally, but on days when she is remembering things, she’s just fine.
JWR: If she remembers me, tell her I interviewed you and . . .
PAB: I am sure she will remember.
JWR: Well, this has been a very interesting interview. I’m most grateful.
PAB: Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity.
JWR: If you think of anything you want to add at anytime, just let me know. And, thank you very much.
PAB: OK. Thank you.